How do social scientists, economists and natural scientists deal with climate and environmental historians?
Sometimes it is difficult to find common ground. It seems essential to me that climate and environmental historians are recognised as partners at eye level rather than being misused as mere data providers. Then it depends on whether both scientists and historians are ready to familiarise themselves with neighbouring fields of knowledge in order to get a broader understanding of their subject. In my experience, this is most likely to be the case with geographers, because many of them think in an interdisciplinary way. "Hard" natural scientists are open to dialogue if they are convinced that they can gain new insights into their field from cooperating with environmental historians. For example, the research group led by Sonia Seneviratne of the ETH Institute for Climate and Atmosphere in Zurich, for instance, dealt with the extreme heat and dry year 1540 in the form of models, although no "hard" data are available (Orth et al., 2016). Within hydrological sciences, historical hydrology is recognised as a sub-discipline, because (extreme) precipitation, floods and droughts in the pre-instrumental period are best understood based on narrative and proto-statistical evidence.
The case of as economic historians is ambivalent. As long as they hide behind dogmas, statistics and mathematical formulas, a dialogue with environmental historians is fruitless. It is important to understand that numbers in historical contexts must be critically scrutinized and that economic models should not be uncritically transferred to the past. Provided that economic historians are open in this respect, their findings can significantly enrich our view of the past.
You mentioned the year 1540, which you have worked out as a truly extraordinary climatic year, as a "Black Swan". Would you like to say something more about this year?
A "Black Swan" (Nassim Taleb) is a runaway outside the range of normal expectations that has an extreme impact. Climatically, it is an event considered unlikely to occur due to its rarity. In 1540, Europe suffered from the Atlantic to Poland and from Tuscany to the German northern border under an eleven-month heat and drought period, which atrophied rivers to rivulets and ignited forests and settlements. The consequences of such an event would be far-reaching today, mainly due to the lack of water and its consequences for energy supply (cooling water) and health (Pfister 2018). Since with the increase of the mean values the extreme values become more frequent and more extreme, as the current decade has impressively shown, the probability increases that we will face a Black Swan in the foreseeable future. One of the tasks of a critical climate assessment is to warn the authorities of such events so that they can prepare in good time for such situations.
Was and still is climate knowledge a useful and powerful tool - a way of gaining discourse control?
From the early Middle Ages the Church successfully controlled oral and written discourse about weather and climate. With the availability of instrumental measurements and the emergence of mathematical-statistical methods from the late seventeenth century, it gradually lost discourse control to the natural sciences.
With the climatic rupture in the 1990s, a dispute flared up between mainstream climate science and the so-called sceptics about the fact and the attribution of climatic change, which today is also conducted on a global political level.
Scientists in Public Space - Norm and Practice
In addition to science, the media and politics should also be mentioned as actors here (Weingart et al 2002). They all follow different interests: Scientists fear losing their credibility. They have learned from the debate about dying forests not to draw too hasty conclusions. Politicians on their side do not want to make decisions that could lead to a loss of votes. Media people in the end need to gain attention for their products in a highly competitive market.
The public listens to science especially during extremes such as hot and dry summers, snowless winters and nature induced disasters. Scientists must prepare for such windows of opportunity. Only if extremes and catastrophes occur at increasingly shorter intervals the public pressure might urge politicians to take efficient measures.
The social media have become a new, influential but time-consuming facet of public opinion. Whether and how scientists can contribute here without neglecting their primary task of providing new findings remains to be seen.
Science and its role in politics - ideals and practice
Policy advice is not the business of climate science. The political institutions, in Switzerland above all the voters, have to decide on possible measures. Rather, science has the task of formulating forecasts and objectively pointing out the risks to be expected. A glance at past weather and climate within the last centuries can provide considerable information. It has always played a pivotal role in the assessment of the present. Past data today show how a warmer world will look like in the future, and - this is crucial – less in terms of mean values, but in terms of extremes. In addition, climate research is repeatedly required to correct formulaic opinions about the climate past ("this already has occurred before") and to point to the anthropogenic causes of rapid climate change. Communication is preferably via the media (press, radio and TV). However, climate change is only one of many urgent issues for policy-makers to address.
Pfister as an actor in Bern, in Switzerland and internationally…..
After the publication of the "Climate History of Switzerland" (1984) and “Wetternachhersage” (1999), I was frequently invited to give lectures and provide interviews to the media on the occasion of extreme events. My media presence was almost exclusively limited to the German-speaking world. In the French-speaking world, even within Switzerland, media did not show any interest, not even when interviews were offered in French.
As a result of my media presence, I fought for a long time against the label "climate historian", which allowed a handy identification in the public, but stamped me for many of my colleagues as a one-theme historian.
I would like to recall that, in addition to climate history, I have delved into research fields such as population, agricultural, forestry, food and economic history. In the early 1990s, when I had to fight for a job, a population history of the early modern period (1994) was created, a work on "Population, Economy and Environment in the Canton of Berne 1700-1914" (1995) and a treatise on the 1950 Syndrome" (1995). It was only because of this broad thematic basis that I was able to make the leap to a chair in 1996.
We're about to get to the subject of the 1950s Syndrome. What is it and how did you get involved in it?
My thesis of a division of (environmental) history into three fundamental periods - agricultural society, industrial society and consumer society - on the basis of their energy base (biomass, coal, oil and gas) (Pfister, 1995) caused a sensation because it hit a nerve of time. At the same time, it met with fundamental criticism of the Consumer Society. In environmental history, the thesis is largely accepted. The corresponding anthology experienced a second edition in 1996. The topic has found an entry in Wikipedia and now has 38,000 entries on the Internet. In the anthology itself, the main criticism was that a single factor could not do justice to the strong economic growth in the post-war period. It was echoed by many social scientists. However, this argumentation does not go far enough in the sense that this claim was never raised in this form. Rather, it always focussed upon the energetic foundations and the ecological consequences of development. How energy is used depends on the relative prices of labour and energy. Coal was used sparingly as long as it was produced by labour-intensive production, not to mention biomass being the main energy source in agricultural societies. However, as soon as less demanding energy sources such as oil or gas became available at almost zero cost, it was no longer worth saving energy and promoting alternative forms of energy such as solar energy. On the basis of cheap crude oil, wasteful lifestyles propagated leading to additional CO2 and mountains of environmentally damaging plastic waste. It can be assumed that considerable economic growth in the post-war period would have been possible without dirt cheap energy, albeit in a somewhat less wasteful form. In any case, such a development would have given us more precious time to solve the climate problem.
For these reasons, I continue to regard the 1950s Syndrome or Great Acceleration, as it is also called, as the fundamental turning point in environmental and climate history. It was not the transition to the Industrial Revolution in the early 19th century that brought us the climate problem in its present urgency. Rather, it is the vast abundance of cheap fossil energy that has increased greenhouse gas emissions 4.5 times faster than in the pre-war period. If the slow increase in greenhouse gases prevailing in the period of the industrial society would have been maintained up to the present, it could be calculated by simple extrapolation that the current level of greenhouse gases would not have been reached until 2212 (Pfister, 2010).
Christian, now that you have retired, what advice do you have for colleagues who are about to retire? Likewise: what advice would you give to a 30-year-old who is faced with the choice of staying in science or not after completing his doctorate?
Those who are fascinated by their field and eager to make further scientific discoveries should continue. Looking after grandchildren or become involved in voluntary work are rewarding alternatives.
I would like to advise a thirty-year-old after his doctorate to familiarize himself as broadly as possible with neighbouring areas in addition to climate history and to look for alternatives outside the university in good time. Climate history by itself is today for historians still a career killer.